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My interpretation is that free energy minimisation is more a goal-achieving method than a goal in itself. I don't dispute your model of the interactions involved, just your labelling of their nature. I think the "you are not your brain" folks have a bit of a point here. It's easy to identify with your goals, but hard to identify with the abstract principle of free-energy minimisation.

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Thanks for writing this up. I'm a value realist, and I found this argument intriguing, but there are a couple of things that don't quite fit for me.

It seems like you're assuming "free energy" is well defined and could be quantified in absolute terms, but I don't think this is the case. Free energy is inherently model dependent, how you define it depends on how you define the model a brain is using to interpret the world. Even just how brains choose to overcome prediction error - through active inference (by acting on the world) or by updating their world model is inherently subjective, different people can implicitly give different weight to each option.

If values come from people acting to minimise free energy, but they can just be changed by changing the model you're using to make predictions -- or the way you deal with prediction error -- I don't think this supports value realism.

I suspect whenever you're relying on a mathematical theory, which is defined in a model dependent relativistic way, you will always have this kind of issue.

I think the solution comes through the fact that a free energy minimisation procedure has to be instantiated in something physically real. Then, the value reality comes from the details of the physical instantiation (e.g. valence in a conscious system).

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